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Re: Fund Company hurts clients
Reply #30 - Jun 19th, 2008, 12:33pm
 
The above post is an excellent summary of the business practices at Ameriprise.  It was one of the best days of my life when I left that company.  It baffles me every time I come on this site and see "advisors " that still try to defend the business practices there.  I guess when you realize you sold out all your friends and relatives for $40k a year (If you are a top performer) you have to try and force yourself to believe what you are doing is right even if its obviously not.  Also, the Fourth of July is coming up so your FVPs should have your scripts ready to sell mutual funds and VULs to all your friends and relatives at family BBQs!!!  Good luck boys!!!  Fake it till you make it!!!  Long live Larry Post!!!
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Re: Fund Company hurts clients
Reply #31 - Jun 19th, 2008, 7:26pm
 
macca wrote on Jun 19th, 2008, 11:31am:
[size=14]"not all financial advisors are inept schuysters "

No, but a great many are and many of the ones with good intentions still hurt their clients badly with the high fees and bad choices.


just like a great many website hatemongers are inept schuysters, including macca.  

but she did say that vanguard is doing a disgusting thing with pushing "shareholders" and "owners" into their awful large cap growth fund.  i have to agree with that one vignette.

but still, she's a vanguard schuyster, promoting the screwing-over of diy'ers.  for shame.

and 4th of july's coming up, right former?  are you and macca going to pull out your vanguard call-center scripts and start pushing large cap growth funds on your family at the bbq?  

that's what you did at ameriprise?  no wonder you cry about it endlessly:  that sort of behavior would make everyone hate you no matter which company you're employed with.  and when everyone hates you, you're clearly stupid enough to try to blame external forces (like your employer) for why you're so devoid of character and spirit... and friends.

i'm not employed by ameriprise, but i find it hard to believe that there's actually some corporate policy that tells employees to sell insurance and mutual funds at family functions.  but apparently there's a policy at vanguard that encourages phone salesmen to encourage "shareholders" and "owners" to invest their hard-earned dollars in an investment that everyone knows is a real stinker.  macca and former--start telling the "owners" on the phone: "buyer beware!" and redeem your wicked ways.
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macca & zuma agree: vanguard does disgusting things to "shareholders"  http://www.amexsux.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1213624160/33#33&&so does doris: http://www.fundalarm.com/arc0204a.htm
 

 
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Re: Fund Company hurts clients
Reply #32 - Jun 20th, 2008, 6:23pm
 
"but she did say that vanguard is doing a disgusting thing with pushing "shareholders" and "owners" into their awful large cap growth fund. "

Could you provide my direct quote? Cut and paste it.
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Re: Fund Company hurts clients
Reply #33 - Jun 20th, 2008, 8:31pm
 
Hot Air wrote on Jun 16th, 2008, 7:49am:
isn't it a conflict of interest to pay a fund company to provide an asset allocation for you, and then they steer you toward their in-house investements (even when they have poor performance history)?

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/vanguard-fiddles-us-growth-fund/story.aspx...


macca wrote on Jun 16th, 2008, 12:38pm:
I agree.

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macca & zuma agree: vanguard does disgusting things to "shareholders"  http://www.amexsux.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1213624160/33#33&&so does doris: http://www.fundalarm.com/arc0204a.htm
 

 
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Re: Fund Company hurts clients
Reply #34 - Jun 21st, 2008, 8:11am
 
Again, where did I say that "vanguard is doing a disgusting thing with pushing "shareholders" and "owners" into their awful large cap growth fund."

The truth is, I never said it.  

But, as a troll working for Ameriprise, you need to pretend I did to drum up some trouble.

I suggest you take a hard look at the regulatory actions against the company you work for.  

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Re: Fund Company hurts clients
Reply #35 - Jun 21st, 2008, 8:35am
 
i'm sure you really want me to work for ameriprise, as it suits your anti financial advisor agenda.  

but i don't.

i really don't care what sort of reputation a company has, just the results i get from the individual i work with.  furthermore, i don't believe the company has the reputation you wish it did (which is immaterial).  if it did, this site would be inundated with posters.  it is not.  

it is, however, sparsely populated by a brood of whiners who say they "worked" there, scammed friends and family (and want to assert that this is a widespread corporate policy), and then quit when they realized they sold themselves out, and now are looking to endlessly blame a company and other external factors for their complete lack of character and success.

unfortunately, vanguard doesn't really have an individual that you can work with.  you just call a phone answerer in a cubicle somewhere.  if you do want to work with a dedicated cfp, you'll pay through the nose for it, have to submit all your information through email, and never meet the person face-to-face.  then, as the article which started this thread points out, after you pay an extremely over-priced fee-for-advice charge for a plan that gets emailed to you, the cfp will  suggest that you invest in all-proprietary garbage like vanguard's large cap growth fund.  

if you don't think that's disgusting, then you need to ask the wizard for a brain... or are you currently stuck under a house?
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macca & zuma agree: vanguard does disgusting things to "shareholders"  http://www.amexsux.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1213624160/33#33&&so does doris: http://www.fundalarm.com/arc0204a.htm
 

 
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Re: Fund Company hurts clients
Reply #36 - Jun 21st, 2008, 3:28pm
 
"but i don't."

Sure you do. We all know it. No way would you be loving a VUL that you got sold that gets returns so very far below benchmark. (in fact, your 'advisor' sold you a pack of horrible funds and you're all up in arms about ONE Vanguard fund.  Grin Grin Grin  ).

So, I can conclude that either you love paying very high fees and getting returns that totally suck or...you sell a product with very high fees and funds that totally suck.

B.

You're the Ameripoff kid that volunteered to troll this site in between selling VUL.

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Re: Fund Company hurts clients
Reply #37 - Jun 24th, 2008, 8:13am
 
all you can do is level baseless accusations.

i smell desperation, and it isn't good.
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macca & zuma agree: vanguard does disgusting things to "shareholders"  http://www.amexsux.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1213624160/33#33&&so does doris: http://www.fundalarm.com/arc0204a.htm
 

 
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Re: Fund Company hurts clients
Reply #38 - Jun 24th, 2008, 4:45pm
 
Baseless accusation: "No way would you be loving a VUL that you got sold that gets returns so very far below benchmark."

I stand corrected. You would love a VUL that gets returns so very far below benchmark and that an Ameripoff salesman sold you.   Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Re: Fund Company hurts clients
Reply #39 - Jun 26th, 2008, 2:38pm
 
macca wrote on Jun 24th, 2008, 4:45pm:
I stand corrected.


you stand corrected so often, i'm quite surprised that you don't include a disclaimer after each one of your posts.  something along the lines of:

*macca's posts are typically comprised of conjecture, half-truths, lies, ignorance, baseless accusations and obfuscation.  macca has a below-average understanding of basic investment and personal finance concepts and exhibits great difficulty with not getting booted from countless personal finance-related websites.  if you feel that macca's posts are insightful, do the human gene pool an favor and get sterilized.  --macca

it's also rather shameful that you support a company that pushes victims, er.. "shareholders" like yourself into reprehensibly horrible investments such as their large cap growth fund -- after the "shareholders" have paid exorbitant amounts of money for "asset allocation advice" from said company.

i suppose that when you work at a vanguard call center, you are encouraged to toe the company line and shove awful funds on the poor wretched creatures that call you.  it doesn't mean that you have to, though.  try to cultivate true character in the black hole that is your personality.
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macca & zuma agree: vanguard does disgusting things to "shareholders"  http://www.amexsux.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1213624160/33#33&&so does doris: http://www.fundalarm.com/arc0204a.htm
 

 
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